The Mathematics of Long Tail Cast On

People sometimes ask what my favorite cast on is. Out of all the many cast on methods I know and sometimes use (and would specify in my HeartStrings patterns if I used something special), the Long Tail Cast On is my work horse – i.e. the default cast on I use unless there is a reason to use something else.

If you need a refresher about what the Long Tail Cast On is, or how it is done, here is a tutorial at KnitPicks.

Since the premise of Long Tail Cast On is to leave a yarn tail long enough to cast on all the stitches you want, a good skill to know is how much tail to leave. Especially if needing to cast on a LOT of stitches, it is quite frustrating to have to join in another length of yarn (and therefore have 2 extra yarn ends to weave in later). The other end of the spectrum is to leave way too much, and that can potentially be wasteful especially with high-priced yarn. So, like Goldilocks and the Three Bears, the “porridge that is just right” is starting out with a tail that is long enough to complete casting on all stitches plus some extra for weaving in later.

A Rule of Thumb for Standard Gauges

The relatively well-known rule of  thumb is to leave a tail that is 3 times the width of the knitting plus a few inches to secure into the knitting later by weaving in.

This works pretty well when you are knitting standard fabric gauges such as for sweaters. But can start getting off when the gauge is firmer (e.g. socks) or looser (e.g. lace shawls).

Another big consideration in socks and lace is that a supple and loose cast on is required for optimum expansion (e.g. the top of sock cuffs, or when blocking lace). So this rule of thumb might give you a too short estimate. Maybe, maybe not, but I want to offer another calculation that is almost as easy, and that at least you can consider so that maybe you won’t be frustrated by a too-short long tail after getting almost to the end of casting on a zillion stitches.

An Observation

One way that many knitters try to rectify the problem of a too-tight beginning edge is to cast on over two needles, or cast on using a larger needle. You can get by with this method, as long as the yarn used will re-distribute itself into spaces between the stitches when stretched row-wise. Otherwise, you will just get a sloppy extra-high first row of stitches, with a still too-tight cast on.

And it hardly will ever work with Long Tail Cast On, because even if the ball-end yarn loops will re-distribute and stretch out, the long tail end is already elongated along the bottom edge and constrains the widthwise stretch.

A commonly overlooked fact is that the distance between the stitches of the cast-on row is a big determinant in whether there is enough looseness in the cast on edge to stretch similarly to the rest of the knitting. Of course, you don’t want your cast on edge to be so widely spaced that it is sloppy looking either. A good test is that you should be able to fully insert a knitting needle of the same size between any two cast on stitches. If you keep this is mind, you will soon get to the point of automatically “knowing” to leave enough distance between each cast on stitch. Please don’t tell me it is impossible to use the easy work-horse Long Tail Cast On for lace — I’ve been successfully doing it or decades and want to help you learn to love it, too (if you want to).

An Easy Long Tail Calculation Based on Number of Stitches and Needle Size

Now back to knowing how much of a long tail to leave for casting on. (this of course assumes standard practice of working the long tail with your thumb for the closed edge loops of the cast on, and the ball-end of the yarn is being worked over your forefinger for the stitches that are placed on the knitting needle)

Long tail length (in inches based on mm needle size):

[ (Number of stitches) * (mm needle size) / 8 ] + some extra for weaving in later

For example, the Peek-a-Bead Scarf is 43 stitches on US 6 / 4 mm needles, so the calculation is [43 * 4 / 8] = 21.5″ + some extra for weaving in later

Note: For those using metric, convert by a factor of 2.54 cm per inch; i.e. 2.54 * 21.5 = 54.5 cm for the above example.

What’s Behind All This?

It’s that amazing thing called PI, a mathematical wonder. PI times the diameter of a needle is the circumference around which the yarn travels. So I’ve used that trajectory of the yarn’s path, simplified a bit for ease of use (but still should be plenty accurate enough), and voilà — a way you can calculate your long tail yarn length based on number of stitches and needle size.

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14 thoughts on “The Mathematics of Long Tail Cast On”

  1. From the base of my wrist to the start of my armpit is 20″. Experience has shown that sport, dk and worsted all take about an inch of yarn on sizes 6, 7, or 8 needles. Pull out enough multiples of the 20″ arm length, and begin. For lighter weight yarns on smaller sizes, figure 1.5 stitches to the inch — so one arm’s length of yarn would make 30 cast on stitches; for heavier weight yarn on larger needles, figure 2/3 to half as much — so one arm’s length would make 10 to 15 cast on stitches. It is a very handy thing to know the inches of your hands, thumbs, arms, etc. for stuff like this.

  2. I’ve used your method with worsted and fingering weight yarns with success (thank you), but it didn’t work for me with bulky weight yarn, any thoughts?

    Thank you,

  3. I have learned a more simple method–no calculations! Make loop not holding 2 ends of yarn together. (1 from each end of skein or 1 from 2 skeins). Insert needle in loop, separate the 2 strands and cast on whatever number of stitches needed. Do not count the loop.Then, drop the strand not needed for knitting (this will be cut and woven in later) and begin knitting. At the end of the first row just drop the double strand loop. There will be not knot in your work. Found this on Ravelry, but do not remember where.

    1. I’ve known of that method and it certainly makes things easy by avoiding any forethought or planning. Thanks for sharing with my blog readers.

      The downside is the extra ends to weave in. I hope my calculation tip here will help you if you are ever doing fine openwork lace work where it can be more challenging to hide yarn ends and their extra bulk.

    2. Thanks for Posting this great method Barbara!!
      I use this all the time….sometimes using a different color for the ‘tail’ end, especially if doing stranded knitting….great effect! Works well on the cast off also.

  4. Jackie, the long-tail cast on is my “go to” method too, but I almost always run short and have to re-cast even casting on over 2 needles. I’m eager to try your method as it sounds more accurate mathmatically.

  5. While I appreciate the attention that went into this discovery, it’s complicating something that is very simple. To know how much yarn to use for a long-tail cast-on, simply grab the needle you plan to cast on with, and grab your yarn.

    Leave about six inches of tail. Wrap the needle the exact number of times as the amount of stitches needed to cast on. Pinch the yarn at the spot where you wrapped the last stitch, hold it, and pull the needle out. Voila. That’s how much yarn you need. Grab it like a slingshot and go.

    For example, if you have to cast on 20, wrap 20; if you’ll cast on 400, you can either wrap all 400, or you can wrap a multiple (20, 100, etc) then measure out lengths until you have enough for 400. You’d wrap 100, pinch the point, pull out the needle, measure out four more lengths, cast on.

    For the math deficient, this works really well.

    1. I’ve tried this method but ended up with far more or less of the length needed than if I simply guessed.

      I wonder if the difference is how snug the wrapping is, if it varies with the needle type, whether straight, circular, wood, metal or the actual diameter of the needle used.

    2. Oh, thank you so much for this method. It works a treat. I actually left a little extra on top, but I didn’t need to – now I’ll use this every time as the Norwegian cast on is my favourite. Thanks again.

  6. Thank you!
    For years I’ve been eyeballing how much yarn I need to do a long tail cast on with relatively good success, but when I do fail the guestimate, it’s usually epic.
    No more!

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